Signs

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by themilitantcatholic, Sep 3, 2015.

  1. padraig

    padraig Powers

    I get it that you like Trump and want and need to believe in all that he is doing.

    I was never Trump crazy myself, but I get it,

    Politically, although I am not an American I am very close to him politically and would tend to be very, very supportive. Additionally, emotionally ,I am very pro USA. My brother and his wife and children are American and are all Trump Mega Hat mad. So that is not an issue.

    However in terms of his present tariff policies are concerned I am sure I do not need to remind you that many of his biggest funders and most out spoken supporters (huge amounts of money) have questioned what has been recently been happening on the markets. These are Trump's very biggest economic supporters, not enemies. One of them spoke of a , 'Nuclear winter', if he did not reverse course. Well he did reverse course. But I am afraid it's too late. The markets are pretty well in cardiac arrest.

    I'm not really blaming Trunp for this. It was going to happen at some stage anyway. But it is what it is. Dead is dead. I would guess we are facing a depression which will make the 1930's look like a picnic.

    This present run on gold is just astonishing. It is the Nuclear Bunker for people who think things are falling apart. It is the Central Banks who are buying gold. The stock market figures come and go . Who cares.? But if the Banks are buying gold in such huge numbers the ground is sinking beneath out feet.

    This is not about Trump. Is about not having any money anymore.
     
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  2. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    I don't know who is calling for the death of the markets but it is kinda laughable. Currently the talk is of a recession at most and even that is speculation.
    https://polymarket.com/event/us-recession-in-2025?tid=1744835640135
     
  3. padraig

    padraig Powers

    We'll see.

    Watch the figures tomorrow morning.. The shift to gold is incredible. Mind you the market figures today were horrible too.

    Dow drops nearly 700 points, Nasdaq tumbles 3% in tech-driven sell-off: Live updates

    https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/15/stock-market-today-live-updates.html
     
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  4. garabandal

    garabandal Powers

    I went on the Royal Mint website earlier and it's down for maintenance.

    lol.
     
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  5. padraig

    padraig Powers

    It's not only the Royal. There are strange messages about gold delivery in sites across the world. The price of gold is going up so quickly. No one wants to sell.
     
  6. orangina

    orangina Archangels

    What Trump mentioned is not tariffs at all and I can honestly say that he is lying and deliberately manipulating.

    He simply took the surplus (meaning countries that export more than they import to the US have a + in trade, i.e. a surplus in relation to the US).
    Trump considers this trade surplus to be tariffs towards the US, which is very, very stupid, and he has imposed tariffs divided by 2 on all countries that have a positive trade surplus with the US.

    Take the example of Switzerland.

    The average overall is 1.4%, while the US charged an average of 3.3% on imports from Switzerland in 2024...that shows Switzerland imported 29B in US goods, and the US imported 64B in Swiss goods.

    Switzerland has less tariffs than the USA towards it, but Trump takes the fact that Switzerland exports more goods to the USA than it imports from the USA as "unfair tariffs" and then divides that surplus by 2 and says that these are reciprocal tariffs. It's simply that poorer countries export to the USA more easily because Americans can buy these cheap goods, which benefits them, and also the countries that sell goods there. Due to the expensive production, American goods are difficult to market to poor markets because people cannot buy these goods because they do not have enough money for expensive goods. These are not "unfair tariffs" as Trump says, but the law of the market. It's clearly crashing the world economy on purpose, and that's going to hurt a lot of people, from Americans to a lot of poor countries. Numerous countries, from China to the EU, have offered Trump to abolish tariffs, but he doesn't really want that because it would make it easier for other countries to import to the US and the deficit would be even bigger. So it is not about "unfair tariffs", but about the destruction of the entire economy
     
  7. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    I will look into it, but this is the first I have heard of this.
     
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  8. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    You are correct in the way it is calculated. Looking at trade imbalances as tariffs is something I find very very interesting. Not something stupid or that Trump is lying. Western nations have been gutted of their industry due to cheap labor and lack of regulations off shore. I have always considered more money going out than money coming in to be extremely problematic for any economy. This is evidenced by the current state of industry in the US. I think measures like this are necessary because trade imbalances cannot go on forever. It benefits a select few while hurting everyone overall.

    I will need to see some pro and con videos to get more educated on this.
     
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  9. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    I watched a couple of videos which have some fairly speculative theories. Which might be true in regards to negotiations, but I believe the formula says it all. Quite frankly, for me it is genius because it self adjusts the US economy to hold a healthy balance in regards to imports and exports.

    (US GOODS TRADE DEFICIT / IMPORTS) / 2 OR 10%, whichever is higher

    This essentially keeps far more US dollars in the US rather than off shore. Countries can lower their tariffs by reducing their exports to the US, increasing their imports from the US or both. As long as the trade deficit is not over 20% there will not be any tariffs higher than 10%. This in turn creates and keeps some manufacturing in the US and keeps a healthy system of bidirectional trade. Keeping more money in the US means it will be invested in the US.
     
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  10. orangina

    orangina Archangels

    Trump intentionally pushed the narrative that others are treating the U.S. unfairly. He, along with the people around him, is actually very well-informed.

    I agree with you that a deficit can’t last forever, but a big reason behind the American deficit doesn't lie in trade itself—because the U.S. has shifted from a production-based economy to a service-based one. When you factor in trade in services and finance, you'll see that those sectors offset the goods deficit and that the U.S. is actually running a surplus.

    Let’s take an example:

    The EU sells the U.S. 5 Rolex watches, and buys only 1 in return.

    In terms of watches, the U.S. is at a -4 deficit, and the EU is at a +4 surplus. Trump says, “The EU has unfair tariffs—we need to raise ours…” But that’s only looking at trade in goods.

    At the same time, the U.S. is earning money because the EU has to store that money using American banks. The U.S. profits because the EU advertises those watches on Facebook, Instagram, and other U.S.-based tech platforms, spending billions on ads, and paying little to no taxes since those companies are often headquartered in tax havens like Ireland.

    What really puts the U.S. into such massive debt is its over 900 military bases around the world and at home, with forces deployed in more than 70 countries globally. Even if the U.S. cut its military budget by 80%, it would still be three times larger than China’s—China being the second-biggest military spender.

    Before the Vietnam War, military interventions were paid through taxes. Along with fallen American soldiers returning home, there was huge public backlash over tax hikes to fund the war. Since then, military spending has been shifted from taxes to deficit spending—so the average American, if unaware, doesn’t even realize that the war costs him through inflation. And because global trade happens in U.S. dollars, other countries end up buying that debt since they need dollars for trade.

    In this way, a small elite group—at the top of banks and corporations—uses the U.S. as a private military force to seize foreign resources and geostrategic locations (and, of course, for Israel). The debt from these endeavors is offloaded onto American citizens and the rest of the world, while this elite grabs the real value—whether it’s oil fields, natural gas, rare minerals, etc. And on top of that, since they own the largest military corporations, they sell weapons to the U.S. itself...

    They bribe, blackmail, or fund politicians—sometimes by giving them shares that increase in value once contracts with the government are secured. If only the U.S. invested a fraction of that military spending—not in bombing the Middle East—but in logistics, infrastructure, and technological innovation aimed at producing high-quality goods... those goods would be exported purely based on their quality, regardless of price (just like Switzerland exports to the U.S.).

    They are doing the biggest transfer of wealth ever, creating inflation that forces citizens to sell real value at a lower price because people are forced to manipulate the market. It was similar with migrants, you move them into hotels paid for by taxpayers, real estate prices fall because citizens sell at lower prices. Then comes the mega fund Blackstone, which buys them at low prices. After that, the government evicts the migrants, and the price of real estate increases about 10 times. All financed with taxpayers' money.

    That's how they do reverse communism. The communists forcibly took away and nationalized property, they gain supremacy over real estate, fields, various other assets through economic manipulations. You will own nothing and be happy...

    Finally, check this out.

    "According to Parcl Labs' proprietary database, once Blackstone completes its Tricon Residential acquisition, it will have the third-largest U.S. single-family portfolio (61,964 U.S. single-family homes), behind Progress Residential (83,502 single-family homes) and Invitation Homes (81,716 single-family homes)."

    Who owns Blackstone ?
    Stephen A. Schwarzman

    Blackstone branched into business acquisition, real estate, direct lending, alternative assets, and had $1.1 trillion in assets under management as of September 30, 2024.[15][16-

    He is a longtime friend of president Donald Trump and provides outside counsel, and served as chair of Trump's Strategic and Policy Forum. Following his election, Trump appointed Schwarzman as the chairman of the White House Strategic and Policy Forum( back in 2017). In June 2007, Schwarzman described his view on financial markets with the statement: "I want war, not a series of skirmishes ... I always think about what will kill off the other bidder.
     
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  11. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    The option to convert US dollars to Euros exists, so this doesn't really seem like a good point to me. Yes the US has the advantage of the world's reserve currency, but this also comes with the risk of losing industry.

    I couldn't care less about this, for me it isn't even a talking point. If Europe wants it can create its own social media systems to compete and then earn advertising revenue from the US.

    Obviously there is a lot of corruption in the MIC, hopefully a lot of it gets rooted out. But I don't see how this is a reason to subsidize Switzerland with a trade deficit. How the US chooses to spend its money is not up to other nations that trade with the US.

    Absolutely true, technically no one needs to pay taxes because the US can just print money.

    Totally agree and it needs to stop. However, I don't see how this relates to a trade deficit.

    Again I agree the military spending is problematic, especially in terms of the dirty deals in the MIC. But I reiterate that I don't see how this is an argument for subsidizing a trade deficit with Switzerland.

    I think you are conflating Trump's policy with corporations that Trump is actually fighting against like Blackstone.

    I will have to look into this connection, because too many times there are these kinds of "gotcha" connections.
     
  12. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    After getting a quick summary from Grok regarding their relationship it appears that it is not so cut and dry. From Grok.

    Conclusion
    "Donald Trump and Stephen A. Schwarzman are friends, characterized by a decades-long relationship rooted in New York’s business elite, mutual financial interests, and significant political collaboration, particularly during Trump’s first term. Schwarzman’s role as a trusted advisor, substantial campaign donations, and personal interactions (e.g., at Mar-a-Lago) confirm a level of closeness. However, their friendship is pragmatic and has faced strains, with Schwarzman publicly criticizing Trump’s actions (e.g., Charlottesville, January 6) and briefly opposing his 2024 candidacy in 2022. Their reconciliation in 2024, driven by shared policy concerns, reinforces their bond, but it remains strategic, tempered by Schwarzman’s broader business and reputational priorities.

    Also blackstone was right into the whole DEI and ESG nonsense which Trump has been actively removing.
     
  13. jackzokay

    jackzokay Powers

    The strange thing about it is that most people don't know... The MSM are not reporting it (which isn't really surprising given how corrupt they are). I mean, gold has gone crazy, yet it is not reported. How weird is that!
     
  14. To keep it all in perspective, in the last year:
    S&P 500 is up 5.4%
    Dow Jones is up 2.36%
    NASDAQ is up 5.4%

    On a year to year basis this just looks like a small, overdue correction.
     
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  15. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    Markets are reacting to change and are tense because they don't know what Trump's next moves are or how current ones will affect markets for the time being. As everything gets settled money will be reinvested. I imagine that the medical, agricultural and food processing sectors will be highly affected as regenerative medicine and regenerative agriculture gets boosted.
     
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  16. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Everything we read on the Financial Markets are very.very, very heavily censored. Far, far, far worse than for instance with the Chinese Virus thingy. No reports whatsoeever about what's happening with gold.

    Gold is the bunker when everything else is falling apart.

    I love Gerald Celente. In this video he appears to be drunk as a skunk.##

    Drunk as a Skunk but he still calls it better than anyone else I ever listen to. Perhaps being drunk makes him more honest:



     
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  17. The stock market and the price of gold
    will not matter on iota when we are dead. Nor should it consume our time and energy now.
    Colossians 3:2-3
    "2 Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. 3 For you have died, and your life is hid with Christ in God."
     
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  18. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Since last November 6th gold is up 31%. This fact alone speaks volumes. But at the same time, the Left thinks they have found an issue on which to derail the Trump Train:tariffs! We shall see.

    So let our confidence remain in God!
     
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  19. AED

    AED Powers

    Pope Francis is dead. Just hit the news wires. Eternal rest grant unto him oh Lord let Perpetual light shine upon him. May his soul and all the souls of the faithful departed through the mercy of God rest in peace.
     
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  20. Mary's child

    Mary's child Powers

    Amen!
     
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