To say that refraining from Adultery is an objective ideal in even one case out of a hundred billion is a very great evil. Not telling a lie is not an objective ideal. it is a moral absolute. Not stealing is not an objctive ideal . It is a moral absolute. Not commiting murder is not a moral ideal. It is a moral absolute. The ten commmandments are not objective ideals . They are moral absolutes. If God had given us the ten commandments as, 'Do your best with these guys, aim for the sky', He would have made this plain. He did not. He gave them as moral absolutes.
I read one of the books on Marie Julie Jahenny and she said that would happen. A great many people would become possessed. She didn't mention oppression, if memory serves, but I would assume that where one is found the other is also.
Elisa, Your so called proof comes from the tlig website It is so unfortunate that those who are considered to be intelligent Catholics can get caught up in this web of lies. Her claim in this video that without the laity there is no Church is a lie, as the true Church bears the four marks, which is found only in the Catholic Church." The Church the Lord says should give way and listen to the cries of the laity" as stated by Vassula is another big lie! Since when have the laity been appointed by God to run His Church? What church is she talking about? All churches? She talks about unity and communion in this talk. She also speaks about unity with Cardinal Kasper
Agnes Rose, Very good point. I just read this CNA article that appears to confirm that this is occurring in the USA... Number of Americans who say they are witches is on the rise A ritual halloween witchcraft scene. Credit: MarynaKaravaieva/Shutterstock By Christine Rousselle | https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/more-than-a-million-americans-say-they-are-witches-31750 Washington D.C., Oct 28, 2018 / 01:00 pm (CNA).- The number of Americans who claim to be witches has increased dramatically over the past 30 years. An estimated 1 to 1.5 million people say they practice Wicca or paganism, a rise from an estimated 8,000 Wiccans in 1990, and 340,000 in 2008. [emphasis added] In 2014, a Pew Research Center survey found about 0.4 percent of Americans identify themselves Pagan or Wiccan, a significant increase over prior years. If accurate, the Pew data would suggest that there are more self-identified "witches" in the United States than members of some mainline Protestant denominations. For example, according to 2017 figures, there are 1.4 million practicing Presbyterians in the United States. Wicca is a form of modern pagan witchcraft begun in the 1940s and 1950s in the United Kingdom. Those who practice Wicca often refer to themselves as “witches.” People who practice other forms of witchcraft may not identify with the "Wiccan" or "pagan" label, meaning that the number of self-identified witches in the United States might actually be higher than reported. Online, witchcraft has become increasingly popular and mainstream. The hashtag “#WitchesofInstagram” has been used nearly two million times on Instagram, featuring images of crystals, pentagrams, and people sharing their experiences as witches. A priest pursuing doctoral studies in exorcisms told CNA that he was not surprised by the increasing number of Americans interested in dabbling in witchcraft. The priest, who asked not be identified because of the attention exorcist priests often receive, pointed to the increasing popularity of spiritualism in general, which includes yoga and ouija, and the need for instant results in American culture. He theorized that people who are dissatisfied with their religion begin to look for a “quick fix-- magic.” And while some witches differentiate between “white magic” and “black magic,” with black magic being intentionally malicious, he rejected the idea there could be any such thing as positive or harmless magic. “Both of them are associated with Satan, and he’s in charge of that,” the priest told CNA. People who embrace one form of witchcraft, whether to find love or solve a problem may find themselves “trapped” in the world of the occult, he said. “I have personally had many, many experiences of people coming to me,” with issues that stemmed from something initially thought to be innocuous, he said. The modern appeal of paganism may stem from Christianity’s early roots, the priest said. When Christianity first spread to pagan areas--Ireland, France, etc.--the people who lived there were incredibly superstitious. Christianity was able to provide a sort of spiritual reassurance. "Christianity always has good news, and the good news is that the devil is overcome," he said. Now, he said, as people have begun to turn away from the message of Christ’s lordship, and have begun to “glorify their own reason and understanding,” Christianity has become less appealing--and people return to the superstitious practices of long ago. A lack of faith in the Christian God coupled with the “very hedonistic society” of modern times adds to the appeal of the supposed quick fix of magic, he said. “Anything we want, we have to have right away,” he said. “I mean, if I suffer, I need to have a solution. Even if you go to a hospital, you look at the chart and they always ask you 'how do you feel from one to 10?' and if you feel that your pain is too high, they will pump you with opioid painkillers.” These comments were echoed by Fr. Thomas Petri, O.P., vice president and academic dean at the Dominican House of Studies. Petri told CNA that he did not find it surprising that some people who have turned away from Christianity would turn toward pagan worship. “Man is essentially a religious animal who seeks meaning beyond the ordinary and so is prone to worship powers beyond himself,” he explained. The increase of self-identfied "witches" could also be as a result of Satan, he said, who “is actively at work in the world seeking to drive as many people away from salvation in Christ as he can.” Satan, he said, does this “under the guise of principalities and powers that some people think are more novel and powerful than Christ.” “Sadly, they couldn’t be more wrong and they need our prayers.” **** Elisa, I think it would be better to start a thread for TLIG/Pope Francis(?) if you want to discuss this and then these posts above can be removed from this thread. We do go a little off topic at times here but the above is too much imho. Padraig is in charge of course, this is just my suggestion. And EWTN has the following on Vassula Ryden/TLIG, https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/vassula.htm
Yes it was Fr Gobbi. By the way, isn't synodal church governance the end of the "one" holy Catholic church?
Elisa, I think it would be better to start a thread for TLIG/Pope Francis(?) if you want to discuss this and then these posts above can be removed from this thread. We do go a little off topic at times here but the above is too much imho. Padraig is in charge of course, this is just my suggestion. And EWTN has the following on Vassula Ryden/TLIG, https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/vassula.htm[/QUOTE] I just tried to delete my post but my 60 minute time allotment expired. I really have no interest in discussing Vassula, and no offense to Elisa but it is greatly disturbing to me when I see Vassula and her messages being promoted. If Padraig wants to delete, he can.
Ahh I thought it was Fr Gobbi. Yes it is a mssive change to Church Governance. But then Pope Francis said he was going to have , 'Revoultionary' changes. As I recall at one point he said he was perfectly happy that there would be a schism if necessary to acheive this. He said this very early on. I think mos of us did not take him at his word, but now I see he was perfectly sincere; it really is a Revolution. My own definition of , 'revolution' would be to ovethrow the Old Order of things. ..or in Francis parlance to have a , 'new Paradigm'. So yes the Church would no longer be the Catholic Church. It would be something else entirely. That is if you take Pope Francis at his word..and I do..
Great commentary by Michael Voris. By the way, my old group Roman Catholic Faithful led by Stephen Brady is back. They had an initial meeting, which I did not attend asd I am tending my own flock, which included Michael Voris and Elizabeth Yore. I believe Cardinal Blaise Cupich will be one of his main targets.
ISIS Group Issues Pair of Assassination Threats to Pope Francis BY BRIDGET JOHNSON OCTOBER 29, 2018 (Al-Abd Al-Faqir Media Foundation) An ISIS-supporting media group has issued two assassination threats against Pope Francis in the past several days in what could be a revival of last year's holiday push by the terror group for violence against the Vatican and Catholic Church. The online depictions were released by Al-Abd Al-Faqir, a prolific ISIS media group that this month threatened grenade attacks at music venues. The first poster, released last week, warned "slaves of the Cross" as a masked gunman in a striped polo shirt and khakis is depicted sneaking up behind the pope, who is facing the "wall of death" at Auschwitz. The newer image this week uses a photo of Pope Francis' July 2016 visit to Auschwitz, adding an assassin wearing an ISIS wristband pointing a handgun at the pontiff. "Don't think you are away from our attacks," says the text on the image. Last November, the ISIS-supporting Wafa' Media Foundation circulated a poster depicting a vehicle moving toward the Vatican with a cache of weapons, vowing "Christmas blood." "So wait..." were the only other words on the image, an illustration showing the point of view of an unseen driver as his BMW approached St. Peter's Basilica in the evening with an unobstructed view driving down Via della Conciliazione. In the passenger seat: a rifle, a handgun and a backpack. In the rearview mirror, a masked face. Then the group released a "beheading" image of Pope Francis, with a jihadist standing over the orange-jumpsuited body of a prisoner with his hands behind his back, chest-down on the ground on a dirt street. "Jorge Mario Bergoglio," the pope's name, was written next to the head. That was followed by Wafa' releases the image of a lone jihadist with a backpack, rocket-propelled grenade and rifle at the jihadist's side as storm clouds gather over a twilight St. Peter's Square. In a message to fellow jihadists, the group notes that "the crusaders' feast is approaching." The message ran on with no punctuation: "Their convoys will crowd itself in front of you prepare and plan for them show them the meaning of terrorism kill them and do not hold back with your blood the reward is paradise and let them know that you are from an ummah [Muslim community] where mountains bow down to we will not forget our revenge for every drop of blood that they have shed we will not exclude the young, elderly or women you are all in the crosshairs of our arrows and what is about to come is more even worse." Wafa' also released an image of smoke rising from Rome with a fighter jet overhead and a jihadist standing next to the sort of makeshift armored vehicle ISIS uses for suicide bombings in Iraq and Syria. "The date is approaching o worshippers of the cross," stated the message on the image. An early ISIS e-book detailed the terror group's strategy to sack the Vatican and predicted mob bosses would put up tough resistance: "There is no doubt that if Muslims want to take over Italy, the Islamic State European fighters will have to ally with other militias to fight the Mafia before the conquest of Rome." While ISIS still distributes propaganda including video, audio, stories and photos through the group's official propaganda channels, ISIS-supporting media groups have picked up the lion's share of grass-roots incitement and recruitment by pushing suggested attack methods and targets and speaking to Western jihadists. In January, Al-Abd Al-Faqir depicted the invasion of Washington and in February declared "Paris before Rome," depicting a terrorist invasion that began with cells in the countryside outside Paris before attacking the city. A March video depicting a global caliphate showed a Facebook-style profile of "John Stephen," a white man with a closely trimmed beard using an image of the White House exploding in flames as his banner photo. This April, in English, French and Arabic, Al-Faqir threatened attacks on commercial air travel. Preceding this summer's World Cup, another poster from the media group depicted a jihadist standing among the spectators at a soccer match with a grenade in hand. "Victory will be ours," it said. Another Al-Faqir poster showed a Molotov-cocktail-wielding man clad in a black hoodie, vowing in English and Russian "we will turn your night into fires." https://pjmedia.com/homeland-securi...air-of-assassination-threats-to-pope-francis/
Reading this brought to mind * the vision of the 3rd secret of Fatima, and * St Malachy's prophecy on the popes: Peter the Roman, who will nourish the sheep in many tribulations; when they are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people I found the following interesting analysis while searching for the exact quote on St Malachy's prophecy. "....I was examining the Latin which states, Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & Iudex tremẽdus iudicabit po pulum suum. Finis. While the verb pascet, a conjugation of pasco, can mean to feed an animal (like sheep; cp. Vulgate of John 21:16), it can also mean "to lay waste, ravage" (cp. Vulgate of Mic. 5:6; Lewis & Short, I. II. 2.). Therefore, this Peter the Roman may not be the one "feeding" or nourishing the sheep, but the one persecuting the sheep. Just something to consider." https://christianity.stackexchange....-of-seven-hills-in-st-malachys-popes-prophecy
I clicked on your link. I see where it states that the problem with prophecy is that it is only in hindsight that we can recognize its fulfillment ( I paraphrased) It also states that Rome, Constantinople or Jerusalem might be the city. However, I have always felt it was Rome. But it could be Jerusalem, since that is where the Second Coming will take place. The prophecy then, may take place in some later time in the future.
This is surely true. As with the prophecy of the Virgin birth of our Saviour, which was not readily recognised when it occurred. The thing that caught my attention was this:
Sunburst, the link you mentioned, is not up to date... Secondly, I am not going to waist my precious time in discussing and judging, so you will not get "disturbed".
WHAT ??????????? IS THIS A CATHOLIC FORUM POINTING A GUN TO A PERSON ???????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT GOD HIMSELF APPROVES THIS PHOTO ????????????? WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS ? PUSHING SOMEONE TO KILL A PERSON ??????
O I see, it is ISIS who does that... but still, such picture should not be posted here, because there are people, like me , who do not read everything.... we just see the picture and it gives unbalanced people bad ideas.... (not me )
We can’t be sure who Petrus Romanus is at this present time. Some think that he will be Pope during the Era of Peace
