The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. HeavenlyHosts

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    Hope you are right
     
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  2. Mark Maiocco

    Mark Maiocco Archangels

    Jo M. I have that same sense of foreboding that you describe. It’s as if evil seems to be surrounding me everywhere. I feel anxious and tearful. Yesterday during Adoration I was so happy for Jesus because there were many more people visiting our Lord than normal. While this made me feel so grateful I still couldn’t help but cry out to Jesus in sorrow for what His Church, our Blessed Mother and He Himself must be suffering at this time from the apostasy occurring in Rome. It’s as if He is being crucified all over again. It brought me to tears in His presence.
     
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  3. Praetorian

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    I don't really follow Garabandal, but if memory serves one of the seers said that the synod she was referring to was supposed to happen in either an odd or an even-numbered year, but I don't recall which. Does anyone know?
     
  4. HeavenlyHosts

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    Glenn would surely know.
     
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  5. Praetorian

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    I am no theologian, but I wonder would it be licit to kill a Nazi camp guard? That would not stop the camp from operating. Now killing a Nazi that was about to kill a lone Jew might be licit because it would be defending your neighbor from an injustice. In the same way, I don't think killing an abortion doctor would stop the abortions. This seems like it could delve deep into a Thomistic swamp of which I do not have the mental agility to swim my way out...:confused:
     
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  6. Praetorian

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    Thanks HH good idea. (y)
    I just posted it on his thread.
     
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  7. I believe you're thinking of the Warning and Miracle timings which are known by the seers, but that didn't include any "synod"....that was just something apparently mentioned to Conchita in reference to the Warning but no definite amount of time was given for any period after said synod occurs between it and the Warning.
     
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  8. Yes, I was thinking of the possibility of this recent gathering being an intro to something more settled, officially, in the future.
     
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  9. Praetorian

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    This is horrible :(

    Apparently a lot of these things have been going on for a long time and we are just getting wind of them now. I just recently learned that this "Amazonian Rite" is being justified because the Church in India decided years ago to incorporate Hindu practices in the Mass there :eek:. Apparently this caused great confusion among the Indian faithful rather than bringing them "peace".
     
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  10. HeavenlyHosts

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    Clandestine operations.
     
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  11. DeGaulle

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    I wasn't being optimistic. Generalised heresy/apostasy would surely be worse and more difficult to reverse than a localised form. So, I hope I'm wrong!
     
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  12. HeavenlyHosts

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    I’m getting a mild headache thinking about it :eek:
     
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  13. DeGaulle

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    I was thinking of these examples as being in the context of war. I don't think we're outside that context, now. What is the theology on guerilla warfare? The Church never outright condemned the IRA, for example.
     
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  14. DeGaulle

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    Between the devil and the deep blue sea.
     
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  15. Joan J

    Joan J HolySpiritCome!

    Has anyone sought guidance or feedback from trusted priests at their parishes?
     
  16. DesertStar7

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    Can relate. However, coming to Catholicism has been a boon to my faith, and has granted me a real measure of peace I'd not felt in years.

    But prior to that, starting in 2008, was rather awful.

    I do recall the exact moment I sensed the evil we're seeing all around today: Seated in a pew in an Episcopalian parish, alone, in mid-2008. I'd been praying when I suddenly, and acutely, sensed evil entering the northern portion of the nave ceiling, and permeating the woodwork there.

    I sat quietly, feeling more grim than frightened. In retrospect, it definitely was a herald of things to come.

    But again, despite everything, I am immensely calmer and more at peace now (Catholicism). Nightly dreams are again more frequent as well, and usually religious in scope.
     
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  17. Praetorian

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    I think the Church consciously decided that it would not take a side in matters of war since there were usually Catholics on both sides. The first modern Pope to step away from this I believe was Pope St. John Paul II regarding the Gulf War.

    In some sense, we are at war. One can still commit murder though during a war. I could not cite the theology behind it, but my "sense" tells me that killing an abortion doctor would be murder. If however, he was the last abortion doctor on Earth and was about to perform another one, and no other option was available then it might be permissible morally as that would effectively end all abortion and protect an innocent life. A lot of this might be situational.
     
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  18. Praetorian

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  19. Sam

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    I was wondering what the heck the Lakota were doing there and what they had to do with the Amazon{and it seems they've already had some of their "religion" introduced into the church} and this is their answer

    Church Militant was informed that Native Americans from the United States and Canada are attending the synod to demonstrate solidarity with their compatriots from the Amazonian region, as before the arrival of Columbus the Americas were united and indigenous peoples could freely migrate from South to North.

    Ahh yah right. Some one ought to teach an actual history lesson there.
     
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  20. Dolours

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    If it weren't so tragic and blasphemous, some of it would be funny. While the journalists are very serious writing descriptive articles, pithy comments on the articles can get right to the point. Here's an example of an exchange of comments beneath that Church Militant article:

    "A golden calf next?"

    "A golden calf would have a little bit of class. What we've been watching is a traveling arts-and-crafts yard sale. Trash-on-a-blanket being carted from one venue to another."​

    Imagine being an Italian descendant of the people who built those magnificent churches. Is there any wonder that the faith is almost dead in Italy when they see bizarre events like that procession sponsored by the Vatican?
     
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