Trump & Vance Humiliated Zelensky

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  1. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Perhaps some Palestinian protests are being funded by Zionists. However, Ireland is certainly not regarded by 'Israel' as a friend, but we have protests here, which are non-violent and almost unanimously approved by the Irish, most of whom, including myself, regard events in Gaza as plain genocide.
     
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  2. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    According to a report on Zerohedge, Zelensky is rejecting the offer signed off by his own negotiators. This will not end well for him, if he maintains that absurd stance.
     
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  3. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    That's good, I am all for peaceful protests. That being said I see the exact same tactics being used by Palestinian protesters as are used by eco-activists. They are also lumped in with other minorities of whom they have no interests, such as the lgbt brigades and antifa. I see these most of these protests as cover for the color revolution arm of the zionists. It is unfortunate how things like this can be hijacked.
     
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  4. AED

    AED Powers

    A few years ago I would have said this is nuts--pre covid era. Now there is nothing i would discount in this strange matrix we are in. I know during the student protests of the 60's there was funding and organizing from government "plants" whose job was to stir things up.
    The saying the only difference between a conspiracy theory and an actual conspiracy is about 3 to 6 months. Truth!!!
     
  5. orangina

    orangina Archangels

    For now, I can only honestly comment on the war in Ukraine, and my perspective has changed drastically on that front.

    I don't know what kind of game the West, including Trump, is playing. The Russians, however, no matter what they are, have been sincere in their intentions. On the battlefield, they are doing well and are ready for peace that will include four large regions in the east, the demilitarization of Ukraine, a ban on any foreign military units in Ukraine, including "peacekeepers," and the impossibility of Ukraine joining NATO... They will achieve this either on the battlefield or at the negotiating table, and after more than three years of war, they will not retreat one inch from their goals. They don’t need the whole of Ukraine, just the east, while the West will serve as a buffer zone from Europe, meaning Poland.

    What surprised me is that the US under Trump changed its strategy, and what had been announced for two years and with which negotiations were started has now completely shifted.

    The goal was to stop the war; I thought his policy, through pressure on the minerals that Zelensky does not have, would force Ukraine into negotiations. We had that meeting at the White House that was heading in that direction, and then after the meeting in Saudi Arabia, a complete change in policy.

    The US and Ukraine agreed to a ceasefire for about 30 days, during which the US would again provide military aid (which never really stopped), as well as satellite and military intelligence. Naturally, the Russians are not stupid and realize that this is an opportunity for Ukraine to reorganize its defensive lines, mobilize additional forces, and bring in the necessary weapons, and they will not agree to such a plan. But the US is passing the ball and practically accusing the Russians of not agreeing to peace, which was undermined from the start and is now truly laughable to the Russian side, which is breaking Ukrainian lines.

    This is the reason for peace; the lines are breaking, and a pause is needed to reorganize.

    What particularly worried me was that when the meeting was held, all the European leaders congratulated the US administration on this agreement with Ukraine, as did some Democrats who praised this move. So the question arises: what happened in the meantime? Is Trump making decisions on his own, or was there a certain lobby – the banking, military, or another one – above him and what he promised the voters?

    So, what now? The US is still in the war because the Russians said no to something even senile Biden wouldn't offer due to how embarrassing the offer was...

    Was everything at the White House a farce and a show for the naive? Did minerals and natural resources really force Trump, by people in the shadows, to continue the war and keep the US involved?
     
  6. Katfalls

    Katfalls Powers

    It's really difficult to figure out, things change hourly. However, I really do believe Pres. Trump was blindsided by Zelensky in front of the world in the White House. I don't think he can trust Zelensky anymore. Perhaps there is someone else involved pulling Z's chains and we are not privvy to know that. From what I hear in the US, is not much has happened. Pres. Trump still wants Peace and has that for his goal. Will see how it shakes out, but Z really did try to embarrass him.

     
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  7. orangina

    orangina Archangels

    At the time of the early stages of technology and the greatest tension, there was a Red telephone line between the communist USSR and the USA in the early 60s, where the two presidents, along with translators, communicated directly.

    We have now had several separate meetings, but no one, after the meeting between Lavrov and Rubio, has arranged a proper meeting, i.e. a phone call or video call with Putin.

    Putin and Trump should have long ago arranged a conversation about a ceasefire. Once they identified common points, Trump should have called Zelensky, presented his position, and stated what he wanted from Ukraine, or else all support would cease.

    This is all stalling the war. The Russians are advancing rapidly because the Ukrainian front is collapsing, and realistically, they won’t need any negotiations anymore because they will achieve all their ambitions through war. I believe they have lost any trust in the West, but Trump, if he doesn’t seriously get involved in this, will remain, as I said before he came to power, the president who lost the war in Ukraine. The worst thing is that people are dying every day and as the front collapses, there could be panic and even more casualties.

    My view is that the Russians have long since passed the point where they want negotiations. They have invested too much in the conflict, they have received the biggest possible blow of sanctions from the West, their assets in the West have been frozen, oil and gas are no longer purchased directly from them...

    They will conquer the east of Ukraine, up to the middle and annex it to Russia and probably lead to the overthrow of the government if everyone does not flee to the West, while the western part of Ukraine will remain "neutral", but probably a proxy government.

    That way they will reach the borders with the West and we will have an Iron Curtain again.
     
  8. Pax Prima

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    Sounds like all the pressure is on Zelensky to make a deal then. As for Trump being seen as losing the war in Ukraine, most Americans won't see it this way. They will see it as Ukraine losing because Trump was following through on his promises. Ukraine is an expense not an asset. Each day that passes Zelensky loses more and more negotiating power.
     
  9. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    I think Trump is not confident that Zelensky will honour any ceasefire and will attempt to continue the war. If Zelensky carries on with the war, it will lead to an inevitable defeat, Trump will not back him and the EU chihuahuas will be impotent. By restoring intel and weapons, the charge will be difficult to cast that it was Trump's fault, whereas if he had not restored these, then in the event of continued war, the usual suspects would say that Ukraine's defeat was Trump's fault.

    Zelensky seems to interpret the proposed ceasefire completely different to the US:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...hile-making-steady-battlefield-gains-meantime
     
  10. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    It is clear that Trump intends to make America great again. Likely taking Greenland and Canada. If not outright annexation then by entirely vassalizing them. Same with Mexico. His focus is not on Europe at all but on North America which is much closer in terms of geography. What happens in Europe in Trump's mind is Europe's problem. He thinks the EU is big enough and rich enough to be responsible for Ukraine.

    I guess what I am trying to say is that Zelensky needs to make a deal because Ukraine is not a priority for Trump in terms of defending them against Russia.
     
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  11. Steve79

    Steve79 Archangels

    The Russian reaction makes us a little smarter about how to assess the ceasefire proposal.
    I still believe in Trump's intention to make peace.
    It could just be that he has to be careful not to appear to be making too many concessions to Russia too quickly.

    So far, the process could be categorized as a normal negotiation:
    One party makes a proposal, the other party receives the proposal, examines it and analyzes the extent to which the ideas differ. Party 2 then submits a proposal.

    The Russians keep repeating that they will only agree to a ceasefire if it leads to lasting peace. And the conditions for this, which are also repeated again and again, are -
    no surrender of the conquered territories with a Russian population,
    no NATO troops in Ukraine,
    limitation of the capabilities of the Ukrainian army to a purely defensive capacity,
    ending the Nazi ideology in Ukraine and, as a result, restoring equal rights to all ethnic groups living in Ukraine

    Until recently, Ukraine did not want to accept a ceasefire without receiving security guarantees at the same time. That has changed.
    Today NATO Secretary General Rutte has also confirmed after a meeting with Trump that Ukraine will not join NATO.
    At Russia's request, Kellog was replaced by Witkoff as a negotiator.

    We are on the expected course of negotiations, I would say.
    Trump and Putin are both steadfast leaders. It would be interesting if there were really confrontational interests between the two.
    Trump will withdraw from the Ukraine war one way or another. He needs the resources elsewhere. Maybe things will heat up with China soon.
    But I think because of his promise he will seriously try to end the Ukraine war. If this does not succeed, the Europeans will have to pay for the mess.
     
  12. Mmary

    Mmary Archangels

    The "news" is great television, according to Trump, re the Zelensky meeting.
     
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  13. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    Thanks for that. Johnson seems to have been horrible man, the exact opposite of his public image. If it were simply a case of a bitter LBJ getting someone to kill JFK, it doesn't make sense that all these years later a Republican Senator would have such an interest in keeping secret information about a Democrat VP arranging the murder of the Democrat President.

    When I watched your video, this video popped up in my youtube feed. It's Chris Hedges talking to Jeffrey Sachs about JFK's plans for world peace and limiting nuclear weapons. Sachs is of the view that the assassination was an inside job by warmongers.. Hedges mentioned Alan Dulles whom Kennedy had fired as head of the CIA. He doesn't actually say that Dulles was involved but I got the impression that neither he nor Sachs would rule out the CIA having had some part in it. I've seen other videos suggesting that Oswald had connections with the CIA.

     
  14. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    I would be very surprised if the security services didn't have agents embedded in most high profile activist groups. They can be used to incite others in the group to cause just enough trouble to turn public opinion against the cause. Didn't something similar happen on January 6? And let's not forget how people reluctant to take the covid vaccines were far right science denying granny killers. Now the general public can massage their consciences with the assurance that the victims of genocide and those protesting against their Government's participation in such evil are anti-Semitic terrorists.
     
  15. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    Some people who aren't big fans of Trump are praising him. They believe that he is extricating the US from Ukraine. He can do so at no financial cost to the US if the Europeans keep buying military supplies.

    Unfortunately, the UK and EU leaders are gung-ho for war. They believe that all they need is to keep it going until Trump is replaced. That would explain the EU leaders sucking up to the jihadi leader in Syria who is a proxy of Erdogan in Turkey. It would also explain Zelensky sending drones and drone operators to help the jihadis. Erdogan has said that he is in favour of sending Turkish peacemakers to Ukraine. Turkey has the second biggest army in NATO. Turkey also controls access to the black sea.

    Disregard all Erdogan's shouting support of the Palestinians. People have been saying for years that Erdogan would like a restoration of the Ottoman empire. Some Muslims believe that any land ever occupied by Muslims will always be Islamic land. Muslim Azerbaijan supplies oil to Israel via Muslim Turkey and has been doing so uninterrupted throughout the genocide. I think that the Turks and Azeris are very close. Azerbaijan and Armenia have territorial disputes. Israel has a history of supporting the Azeris in their conflicts with Christian Armenia. Azerbaijan has a very long border with Russia. The jihadi/Israeli invasion of Syria was co-ordinated with the help of US air cover. Turkish participation in Starmer's coalition of the willing would be a huge advantage, but nobody can trust Erdogan. Trump won't cross the Israelis because doing so would be political suicide in the US.
    It's all a big, mixed up jigsaw.

    I'm a fan of Daniel Davis, not only because he understands military matters but also because he strikes me as an honest, honourable and compassionate human being. Here's his take on Europe's war mongering:
     
  16. Pax Prima

    Pax Prima Powers

    That appears to me to be exactly how it is playing out and it is intentional.
     
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  17. FiliMariae

    FiliMariae Archangels

    I’m no expert on the whole JFK assassination thing, but I know Anthony Summers wrote a good book on the matter.
     
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  18. Mario

    Mario Powers

    In spite of discussions to end the war, the desire of the USA to tap into the rich mineral deposits in eastern Ukraine presents a roadblock. Russia's purposeful advance in the east also throws a monkey wrench into such plans. If you add into the mix the prophecies of Garabandal and Marie Julie Jehenny, it might point to an event triggering a Russian decision to attempt to crush NATO.

    Satan loves warmongering. We must pray very much and fast for peace.

    To be honest, I am caught in a struggle between fear of WWIII and trust in God! My faith tells me one thing, my fear another.

    I know the Lord triumphs in the end, but at what cost because of mankind's blindness?
     
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  19. Marygar

    Marygar Byron

    My fear is Erdogan. He is Muslim Brotherhood. Many don’t realize that these Islamists will never agree to a state of Israel. Islam forbids it. That’s why both Jordan and Egypt will not take in anymore Palestinians. Both those countries have their own radicals that hate Israel. If Jordan and Egypt fall like Syria, Israel will have more than Gaza to worry about, let alone Europe.
     
  20. Whatever

    Whatever Powers

    The US is a day late and a dollar short on tapping into any mineral deposits in Ukraine. Starmer didn't make a 100 year deal with Zelensky for love of Ukrainians, and Trump knows it: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...strengthen-partnership-for-future-generations

    Just trust in God.
     
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