Warnings From Beyond [Hell] to the Contemporary Church

That's not what is said at all. It's one thing to simply not believe in this, or to argue specific points that might raise questions, another thing entirely is to make up stuff about what was said.

What's said (and it's in the excerpts I posted) is that the Church was brought to a point that they tried to imitate the heresy of protestantism so much that it puts them in a worse position since, as the holder of the truth, it can't claim ignorance.

And it's only the bad bishops, those that don't follow the good road, that shouldn't be obeyed since they go against God and the dogma of the faith.

How is it in any way expected for demons to say that, or all the other things that corroborate Catholic dogma?

 

Okay, that's fair. And I agree, that's completely possible. Even the book warns about it.

Fr. Malachi Martin has said the same thing back in the 90s. That in many places the consecration doesn't happen. Not because the priest is in mortal sin, but because they don't believe anymore. That was one of the great dangers of the apostasy that Fatima warned about.

 

This is a spurious document that is full of holes. It is tampering with the demons and expecting Truth to come out. There is nothing worthwhile in this, imho. I’m frankly scandalized that it would be posted on Our Lady’s forum. Yes, there are dangers to the Faith, but Jesus is in the Barque during this storm.
I don’t believe that the origin of this document is what it purports to be. Even so, it’s undue curiosity to delve into all of this. There is a reason we are not exorcists, or Bishops with Apostolic succession. The Lord is aware of the sins of each priest and we should be on our knees daily praying for them. I don’t mean any disrespect to you, LusoKnight, but I lived through this all, all of these decades. I held myself back for several days but could not ignore what I consider to be a virulently anti-Catholic post.

 

My main concern is Judas period...

Very dangerous, demons lie. Although demons roam the earth, do souls condemned to hell come back to earth or anywhere? Think of Jesus' parable of the rich man and Lazarus.

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

 

Right. It’s not exorcism to get Judas to speak.

 

Because they are demons and they lie, hate, and twist the truth. They even pretend to be Judas.

 

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Evil can appear as an angel of light. Evil spirits are much smarter than humans are. I agree that many bishops are not on the good road but that does not give me the authority to leave the path of obedience.

: I have to say that, today, many bishops are not on the good road, and those ones must not be obeyed.

The other piece that is very disturbing is where it says that the Second Vatican Council is a work of hell. I'll freely admit there have been liturgical abuses and reforms in the church needed, but part of being Catholic is believing that the Holy Spirit guides the church throughout all the Ecumenical Councils.

I'm pretty sure I heard one Catholic exorcist talk about how they mainly focus on trying to get a demons name to command it to leave. If God wants to give us a message he will use his prophets and the Blessed Virgin instead of using demons during an exorcism.

 

I agree, if God wants to give us a message He will use His prophets and the Blessed Mother. He also uses His saints. Blessed be God in His angels and His saints.

 

We are to obey in all things but sin.

 

What I'm leaning towards is the possibility that this all came from the disturbed mind of the "possessed" woman. When reading her short bio, I noted that she was both very pious her whole life and also troubled with mental problems. It was said that even as a baby she cried an abnormal amount. I found that strange. Her mental problems got worse as she got older until these manifestations began. Her extreme piety would explain her knowledge of spiritual matters supposedly expressed by the demons, and her disturbed mind could easily be manipulated by evil spirits into thinking she's fully possessed as some kind of victim soul mission from God.

I know that God has truly forced demons in limited circumstances to reveal things they didn't want to reveal, but this woman's background and the sheer length and scope of questions and curiosity doesn't sit right in this case.

That being said, I hope Lusoknight does not feel attacked in any way, because I think he had good intentions in sharing what he believed to be true revelations.

 

I made the mistake of listening to this recording in a huge big empty building at night time. I was the only one in the building. I was too far away to switch it off and heard it booming around the building.

Listening to things like this when you don't believe in Demons is one thing, listening to it when you do is quite another.

I won't make that mistake again in a hurry.

One thing about the Devil is that he is a liar. Not only a liar but the Father of the half lie, which is ten times worse. He may be forced to tell the truth, but you may be sure he'll do his best to bend it one way of the other, because that's just the way he is.

 

A pinch of salt would be a good idea, a great big pinch. I am not sure that exorcists interrogating demons like this is such a hot idea.

Getting precise information, such as their names and how they entered, things that help to boot them out is fine, anything else seems to me very, very problematical.

 

LusoKnight,
Your heart is in the right place, wanting the world to see the truth, this is noble!
God Bless you.

I know when I see or hear malevolence, a spark of indignation ignites my soul, inflaming it to present the truth, and this is a good thing! This good thing must be measured or at least that is what I believe God has revealed to me.

In the garden of Gethsemane, St Peter drew his sword in defence of Jesus and severed the ear, of the Sanhedrin guard! Peter was so beautifully impetuous in his Love of God, I believe this is why God loved him so much and even built His Church upon Peter the rock!

God gently lead Peter and He gently leads me and you and all here.
Don't be discouraged.
You are a warrior after St Peters own Heart.

 

Agree HH... "tampering with the demons and expecting Truth to come out" and " undue CURIOSITY to delve into all of this" are thoughts I agree with!
Im not sure that this document should not have been posted here however. I say bring it out into the open air and let us be aware of publications like this. AS they say... "Sunshine is the best disinfectant!!"

Then folks like Josephite and you can have a "shot" at it!

 

It’s visceral when that happens to me

 

Unfortunately, I can believe this, although this would be the case in a small number of tabernacles. I believe this for a number of reasons:

1. Given the recent scandals involving priests who were not priests because they had not been validly baptized, their offerings at the Mass would not have resulted in the bread and wine being transubstantiated into the Body and Blood of Jesus.
   
   (The number of invalidly-baptized Catholics may be in the hundreds of thousands, depending on the locations of the priests doing the baptisms. There was a priest at a Catholic student center at a university in Wisconsin who apparently spent years baptizing converts and newborns using "novel" terms for the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; thus requiring the diocese to inform all of these people to get re-baptized. Imagine the damage if such an invalidly-baptized person became not just a priest but a bishop: all of the ordinations performed by him would be invalid.
   
   There is an even greater number of Christians who belong to sects where, based on their readings of Scripture, baptize in the Name of the Father only; or in the Name of the Father, the Son, and John the Baptist; or some other such combination.)
2. In addition, given the rise in liturgical abuse, if the priest modifies the words of consecration IN ANY WAY, the consecration is invalid.
3. Lastly, if the priest has fallen into some Protestant heresies, where he views the consecration as "symbolic only", then he lacks "intention" of confecting the sacrament. Intention is required in the performance of ALL sacramental rituals. Note that the spiritual or moral state of the priest does not matter, i.e., even a priest in the state of mortal sin can legitimately confect the sacraments, provided intention is there. Given the poor state of catechesis in the Church in the past 80 years and the moral state of too many seminaries, I believe this is becoming more and more possible.

A terrifying thought, indeed.

 

I haven't read any of these messages, but wanted to say that I see them being circulated in French too.

There are many wonderful books written by exorcists who filter all these things and make the essentials available to us. There is Fr Ripperger, Fr Amorth, and many others - and the books by Charles Fraune that I highly recommend since he takes information from many exorcists. He is working on a Slaying Dragons II book which sounds very interesting.

There are so many voices to listen to in our Church, why on earth do we need to listen to the voice of evil? Gives me the shivers!

 

Well said. Feelings are the worst barometer to judge the truth of an apparition or locution. Thats why we have the magisteriumof the Church. Yhe charism to discern such things is given to the local bishop. Whether we like him or not the charism of his office--independent of the state of his soul --is operational.

 

Muzhik,
In regards to your numbered reasons which could indicate that Jesus may not be present in all tabernacles or at the consecration.

I will address number 3) as this is what I believe the alleged demon Judas Iscariot was indicating, and that is.... Jesus in not present in all tabernacles or at the consecration due to the priests unbelief in the real presence' and it would certainly seem that if a priest does not believe in the real presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament it also brings into question his intention or lack thereof when he says the words of consecration!

However, I believe Jesus Himself, has answered this quandary, by revealing His true presence in the Blessed Eucharist, by manifesting Eucharistic miracles, to unbelieving priests.

In fact the first great Eucharistic miracle was that of Lanciano. It took place in 750 AD in the church of St Legontian when a Basilian monk doubted the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. After he had consecrated the Body and Blood of Our Lord, the host was suddenly changed into physical flesh and the consecrated wine into physical blood, which coagulated into five globules of different shapes and sizes. They are still on display in Lanciano, even though almost 1300 years have passed since they first appeared.

In 1971 the flesh and blood were examined scientifically by Dr Odoardo Linoli, Professor of Anatomy and Pathological Histology and of Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy at the Arezzo Hospital. He was assisted by Dr Ruggero Bertelli, retired Professor of Anatomy at the University of Siena.

Their findings were truly extraordinary. The flesh was identified under a microscope as human flesh from the left ventricle of the heart, showing clearly the myocardium, the endocardium and the vagus nerve. What is more, Professor Linoli was amazed at the evenness of the slice of tissue he was examining. He commented that only a highly skilled hand in dissection could have obtained such an “even and continuous” slice of heart tissue. This is especially intriguing if one takes into account that the first anatomical dissections reported in the medical literature took place only after the 1300s, some six hundred years after the miracle.

The blood was of type AB, the rarest blood type, which is found more commonly in the region around the Mediterranean. In Italy between 0.5% and 1% of all people have type AB blood, whereas in Israel and the Middle East the percentage is 14-15%.

Praise God for these marvellous Eucharistic Miracles which Jesus has provided to help convert unbelieving faithful and even unbelieving priests.

 

I think the issue here is whether or not the priest has doubts (as the priest at Lanciano) or if the priest has fallen into heresy where he does not doubt the True Presence, but does not believe in it, telling himself (and possibly others) that it's only symbolic.

Consider Luther: after developing his heretical teachings, did he continue to confect the Holy Eucharist, since he was now in a state of unbelief (not doubt) in the True Presence?