Wars and rumors of wars on the TLM and Summorum Pontificum”?

I think he could do this by taking advantage of the synodal process that will take place from this year and the Synod in Germany next year (for example allowing episcopal conferences to have full autonomy over the liturgy)

 

I hate to say this but that sadly goes along with the polls showing 70% of mass goers who say they don't believe in the real presence. Although, I have often wondered if those poll results are simply due to a catechist that is poorly formed with a question that is subtly worded.
I could not find any polls that target the Lutheran beliefs in this matter.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-u-s-led-schism-can-be-thwarted-idUSKCN1VV2IA

Pope says he prays U.S.-led schism can be thwarted
By Philip Pullella

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ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE (Reuters) - Pope Francis said on Tuesday he prayed that dissent from American Catholic conservatives would not lead to a schism in the Church and that he was willing to listen to critics and make corrections if necessary.

But in frank comments to reporters aboard the plane returning to Rome from a trip to Africa, he said he was not afraid of a schism. Some of his critics had allowed political ideology to infiltrate religious doctrine, he said.

It was the first time Francis has spoken so openly about the possibility of a schism in the 1.3 billion worldwide Roman Catholic Church, albeit in answer to a question.

Francis also implied that some of his critics were hypocrites for accusing him of being “a communist pope” even though he was saying the same things about social issues that had been said by the late Pope John Paul, who many conservatives consider an icon.

Francis has been the butt of criticism from a small but powerful number of American conservatives unhappy with his stands on various theological issues as well as social matters from immigration to climate change.

An American reporter asked him about the attacks from conservative clerics, Catholic television stations and websites in the increasingly polarized U.S. Church. Some have demanded his resignation, saying he is sowing confusion about moral issues, such as homosexuality and divorce.

“I am not afraid of schisms,” Francis said in a 10-minute response, adding that there had been many in the 2,000-year history of the Church.

“I pray that there won’t be any because the spiritual health of many people is at stake,” he said.

The critics’ spiritual guru is U.S. Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke, the former archbishop of St. Louis who stepped up attacks after the pontiff demoted him from a senior Vatican post.

DOCTRINAL RIGIDITY
“When you see Christians, bishops, priests, who are rigid, behind that there are problems and an unhealthy way of looking at the Gospel,” Francis said.

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“So I think we have to be gentle with people who are tempted by these attacks because they are going through problems. We have to accompany them with tenderness,” he said.

Some conservative political movements in the United States have joined forces with religious conservatives to attack the pope. They reject the pope’s stands on social issues such as climate change and immigration and back Catholic conservative groups who attack his doctrinal stands, such as allowing divorced Catholics to receive communion.

The Argentine pope implied in his response that he believed that political ideology was coloring conservatives’ views of his six-year papacy.

“The things I say about social issues are the same things (Pope) John Paul said. I copy him (and they say) ‘the pope is too communist,’” Francis said.

“Ideology is infiltrating doctrine, and when ideologies slip into doctrine, there is the possibility of a schism,” he said

Francis said he accepted “loyal criticism” but not from those who dispense it piecemeal via “arsenic pills” nor from those who “throw a stone and then hide their hands.”

Some anti-Francis blogs and websites, particularly in Italy, host anonymous attacks and letters by people the bloggers say are current or former Vatican officials.

The last schism was in 1988 when ultra-traditionalist French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre ordained bishops without papal permission, starting his own movement.

Reporting By Philip Pullella; Editing by Angus MacSwan

 

Archbishop Cordileone ‘grieved’ by ‘disrespectful’ responses’ to Pope Francis’ curbs on Traditional Latin Mass

By CNA Staff​

San Francisco, Calif., Aug 6, 2021 / 02:45 am

The Catholic Archbishop of San Francisco said on Thursday that he is “grieved” by “disrespectful responses” to Pope Francis’ restrictions on the Traditional Latin Mass.

In an Aug. 5 statement, Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone underlined that the pope introduced the new measures in the motu proprio Traditionis custodes out of a concern for unity.

“Since Pope Francis issued Traditionis custodes, I have been grieved by certain disrespectful responses; some have even included slanderous attacks on the Pontiff,” the archbishop said.

Traditionis custodes: Archbishop Cordileone ‘grieved’ by ‘disrespectful responses’ to Pope Francis’ Traditional Latin Mass restrictions (catholicnewsagency.com)

So, even FSSP said they are unsure of how all of this will work out. Hopefully not too severe.

Report: Envelope with three bullets addressed to Pope Francis intercepted

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The newspaper said that the envelope contained three pieces of 9 millimeter ammunition, of the kind used in a Flobert gun, and a message referring to financial operations in the Vatican.

Report: Envelope with three bullets addressed to Pope Francis intercepted in Milan, Italy (catholicnewsagency.com) (CNA now reports "sender" has been identified, check website)
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Additional news but maybe it's only over the financial operations of the Vatican as said above.

We will see, I'm sure at times, it is important to have Masses in the local language, say if they are on some island in the South Pacific or something.

One article said the Church was so big, it was ungovernable. It would not surprise me if there was some truth in this.

It might be possible that PF is just reversing the law Pope Benedict wrote rather than this being the atomic bomb on the church that some have said.

Maybe if the prior law was saying any priest could say the Latin Mass, that was too lax; as FSSP, we will need to see the ramifications of the Motu Propio.

 

Has anyone heard that the Holy Father is about to publish a new document on the Old Mass?

Apparently this one is to be much, much, more radical than the last one (if you can believe it possible) and will be a total , total killer blow.

I am posting this from my phone as my Internet is down so can't give links.

It would make you cry.

What terrible, terrible times we are living in.

 

I am just curious, do you happen to work for mainstream Catholic media or an official Church Organisation?

Funny how you showed up here, all of a very great sudden, just at this particular time, you're kinda like the Cuckoo in the nest.

 

The bullets in the post thing to the Pope thing strikes me as very convenient. He has been getting a lot of bad press for his purge on Traditionalists. The bullets will cut him some slack.

Or am I too cynical?

As to the Archbishop, I assume he got a phone call from the Vatican making him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Even Archbishops don't like Sleeping with the Fishes

 

It's also funny how my Internet went down just as all this is going down.

 

.. and I don't mean funny, ha, ha

 

I'll be watching ýou like a Hawk from now on in..

Tnm

 

The jumping from one issue to another with such bizzare slants would suggest to me that someone is a few sandwiches short of a picnic or is just really acting the maggot hoping for a few bites here and there.

 

Return to Tradition on you tube said this morning that its coming.

 

There is nothing the secular press would like more than a schism in the Catholic Church. Anyone who can't smell a rat needs to have a covid test. The question, designed to tell the Pope that people who love the TLM are his enemies and to elicit the response it did, is a set-up. Would anyone be surprised if it turned out that the journalist had help with the question by someone from the Curia, possibly one of the travelling entourage? Note that Cardinal Burke is cast in the role of leader of the Pope's enemies, that the supposed upcoming schism has its roots in the US and faithful Catholics in the US are accused of bringing political ideology to matters theological.

Cardinal Burke has never said a bad word against Pope Francis. As a Cardinal, he has the duty and the right to question ambiguous statements and documents coming from the Pope and to advise the faithful how to interpret them in line with Church teaching. That makes him a faithful son of the Church, a diligent shepherd to the Catholic faithful and a true brother Bishop to the Pope, irrespective of whose feathers are ruffled. The question, the response, and the news article are gaslighting in overdrive.

Here is a recent discussion about the future of the TLM. Participants include Cardinal Zen, Bishop Schneider, Robert Moynihan, James Bogle and a few others. Note how reasoned they are and the lack of hysterical ranting. Neither are there any attacks on Pope Francis. It's a group of faithful Catholics discussing how best to live their faith and give the highest possible worship to God on foot of a most peculiar Moto Proprio from the Holy Father:

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1zqKVXqZaDXJB

 

It's so awful.

Ido so hope it isn't so

But this is a 100 carat pure Gold Source .

What else can we do but pray?

These devils seem unstoppable.

Pray, pray, pray.

God have mercy

 

Totally the work of Satan.

You can see his hooves everywhere at the moment.

Nauseating.